Unpacking the hype around OpenAI’s rumored new Q* model (2025)

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Ever since last week’s dramatic events at OpenAI, the rumor mill has been in overdrive about why the company’s chief scientific officer, Ilya Sutskever, and its board decided to oust CEO Sam Altman.

While we still don’t know all the details, there have been reports that researchers at OpenAI had made a “breakthrough” in AI that had alarmed staff members. Reuters and The Information both report that researchers had come up with a new way to make powerful AI systems and had created a new model, called Q* (pronounced Q star), that was able to perform grade-school-level math. According to the people who spoke to Reuters, some at OpenAI believe this could be a milestone in the company’s quest to build artificial general intelligence, a much-hyped concept referring to an AI system that is smarter than humans. The company declined to comment on Q*.

Social media is full of speculation and excessive hype, so I called some experts to find out how big a deal any breakthrough in math and AI would really be.

Researchers have for years tried to get AI models to solve math problems. Language models like ChatGPT and GPT-4 can do some math, but not very well or reliably. We currently don’t have the algorithms or even the right architectures to be able to solve math problems reliably using AI, says Wenda Li, an AI lecturer at the University of Edinburgh. Deep learning and transformers (a kind of neural network), which is what language models use, are excellent at recognizing patterns, but that alone is likely not enough, Li adds.

Math is a benchmark for reasoning, Li says. A machine that is able to reason about mathematics, could, in theory, be able to learn to do other tasks that build on existing information, such as writing computer code or drawing conclusions from a news article. Math is a particularly hard challenge because it requires AI models to have the capacity to reason and to really understand what they are dealing with.

A generative AI system that could reliably do math would need to have a really firm grasp on concrete definitions of particular concepts that can get very abstract. A lot of math problems also require some level of planning over multiple steps, says Katie Collins, a PhD researcher at the University of Cambridge, who specializes in math and AI. Indeed, Yann LeCun, chief AI scientist at Meta, posted on X and LinkedIn over the weekend that he thinks Q* is likely to be “OpenAI attempts at planning.”

People who worry about whether AI poses an existential risk to humans, one of OpenAI's founding concerns, fear that such capabilities might lead to rogue AI. Safety concerns might arise if such AI systems are allowed to set their own goals and start to interface with a real physical or digital world in some ways, says Collins.

But while math capability might take us a step closer to more powerful AI systems, solving these sorts of math problems doesn’t signal the birth of a superintelligence.

“I don’t think it immediately gets us to AGI or scary situations,” says Collins. It’s also very important to underline what kind of math problems AI is solving, she adds.

“Solving elementary-school math problems is very, very different from pushing the boundaries of mathematics at the level of something a Fields medalist can do,” says Collins, referring to a top prize in mathematics.

Machine-learning research has focused on solving elementary-school problems, but state-of-the-art AI systems haven’t fully cracked this challenge yet. Some AI models fail on really simple math problems, but then they can excel at really hard problems, Collins says. OpenAI has, for example, developed dedicated tools that can solve challenging problems posed in competitions for top math students in high school, but these systems outperform humans only occasionally.

Nevertheless, building an AI system that can solve math equations is a cool development, if that is indeed what Q* can do. A deeper understanding of mathematics could open up applications to help scientific research and engineering, for example. The ability to generate mathematical responses could help us develop better personalized tutoring, or help mathematicians do algebra faster or solve more complicated problems.

This is also not the first time a new model has sparked AGI hype. Just last year, tech folks were saying the same things about Google DeepMind’s Gato, a “generalist” AI model that can play Atari video games, caption images, chat, and stack blocks with a real robot arm. Back then, some AI researchers claimed that DeepMind was “on the verge” of AGI because of Gato’s ability to do so many different things pretty well. Same hype machine, different AI lab.

And while it might be great PR, these hype cycles do more harm than good for the entire field by distracting people from the real, tangible problems around AI. Rumors about a powerful new AI model might also be a massive own goal for the regulation-averse tech sector. The EU, for example, is very close to finalizing its sweeping AI Act. One of the biggest fights right now among lawmakers is whether to give tech companies more power to regulate cutting-edge AI models on their own.

OpenAI’s board was designed as the company’s internal kill switch and governance mechanism to prevent the launch of harmful technologies. The past week’s boardroom drama has shown that the bottom line will always prevail at these companies. It will also make it harder to make a case for why they should be trusted with self-regulation. Lawmakers, take note.

Unpacking the hype around OpenAI’s rumored new Q* model (2025)

FAQs

What is the OpenAI's Q * model? ›

From what we've heard, Project Q* can: Work out basic math problems and think symbolically better than other AI systems out there. Understand ideas and make smart guesses about them. Move past just recognizing patterns to actually thinking through problems step by step.

What is the Q model? ›

Q – model (Fixed Order Quantity model) In Q model, the order is placed whenever the inventory level reaches a certain level. This is also called continuous review system, where the inventory level is regularly monitored. The order is triggered when inventory level reaches reorder point.

What is Q * in OpenAI? ›

"Q* is a dialog system conceptualized by OpenAI, designed to enhance the traditional dialog generation approach through the implementation of an energy-based model (EBM)." Traditional token prediction methods predict one word at a time, but Q* takes a different approach.

What is the Q star in artificial general intelligence? ›

The Q-Star project is a large language model (LLM). LLMs are AI models that generate text. They generate text by predicting the next word, and answers to the same question can vary. However, the Q-Star project is said to be able to solve simple mathematical problems that were not part of its training corpus.

What is the difference between OpenAI ChatGPT and GPT-3? ›

ChatGPT is an app; GPT is the brain behind that app

It relies on GPT to produce text, generate images, and analyze data. GPT, on the other hand, is a language model, not an app. (There is an OpenAI playground that lets you play around with GPT, but GPT itself isn't an app.)

Which OpenAI model does ChatGPT use? ›

ChatGPT+ is using GPT-4-Turbo and has a context length of 32,000. The language model most likely being used in ChatGPT is probably the gpt-4-turbo-preview (and vision).

What is the Q * algorithm? ›

The Q algorithm is part of a system, termed the Maryland Refutation Proof Procedure System (MRPPS), which incorporates both the Q algorithm, which performs the search required to answer a query, and an inferential component, which performs the logical manipulations necessary to deduce a clouse from one or two other ...

What is the Q-learning rule? ›

Q-learning is a reinforcement learning algorithm that finds an optimal action-selection policy for any finite Markov decision process (MDP). It helps an agent learn to maximize the total reward over time through repeated interactions with the environment, even when the model of that environment is not known.

What is the Q theory model? ›

Q theory is a neoclassical investment model that posits that investment in any asset is a function of the Q ratio: the ratio of the market valuation of the asset to its replacement cost (or marginal cost). If Q > 1, then a firm should invest; investment should stop when a firm's marginal Q =1.

What is the Q-Star AI algorithm? ›

Objective: The Q* Algorithm is designed to enhance the efficiency and effectiveness of searching within a logical inference system. It aims to: Minimize the search space for problem-solving in logical systems. Integrate semantic (meaning-based) and syntactic (structure-based) information to guide the search process.

What is Q AI investing? ›

Q.ai is an AI-powered investing app from Forbes that lets you invest in a wide range of portfolios. Its unique selling point is that many portfolios have a hedging feature to provide downside protection. And portfolios also invest in a range of assets like stocks, ETFs, commodities, and crypto.

What is project Q * OpenAI? ›

Project Q-Star is an artificial intelligence (AI) algorithm developed by OpenAI. While information about the project remains sparse, it's said to be capable of solving simple math problems that were not part of its training material.

Is Q-Star better than Z star? ›

Tl;dr When buying Srixon golf balls, consider your skill level, playing needs, and budget. The Z-STAR series is perfect for advanced players seeking control and distance. The Q-STAR offers balanced performance, while the Soft Feel series caters to beginners seeking a softer feel and higher trajectory.

Is Q-learning an AI? ›

Q-learning provides a model-free approach to reinforcement learning. There is no model of the environment to guide the reinforcement learning process. The agent -- which is the AI component that acts in the environment -- iteratively learns and makes predictions about the environment on its own.

Is Alexa A general AI? ›

Voice technology has become an integral part of our daily lives, and Amazon's Alexa stands as a shining example of how artificial intelligence (AI) and Natural Language Understanding (NLU) are transforming the way we interact with our devices.

What is Q learning model? ›

Q-learning is a machine learning approach that enables a model to iteratively learn and improve over time by taking the correct action. Q-learning is a type of reinforcement learning. With reinforcement learning, a machine learning model is trained to mimic the way animals or children learn.

What is OpenAI's business model? ›

OpenAI generates revenue through various sources such as grants, donations, and strategic partnerships. These funds are then reinvested to support their research activities and the pursuit of their mission. Grants are a significant source of revenue for OpenAI.

What does GPT model do? ›

As language models, the GPT models can understand and write computer code in different programming languages. The models can help learners by explaining computer programs to them in everyday language. Also, experienced developers can use GPT tools to autosuggest relevant code snippets.

What is Project Q OpenAI? ›

Project Q-Star is an artificial intelligence (AI) algorithm developed by OpenAI. While information about the project remains sparse, it's said to be capable of solving simple math problems that were not part of its training material.

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